A few that stand out to me:. The Gospel is the royal announcement that Jesus Christ is Lord a gospel about all of creation. All 6 are necessary to see God and his unveiling story. That would point the affirmations you suggest more firmly towards something than away. You are describing what can be labeled as mainstream churches.
You are describing me, and the church I go to in downtown Seattle — Immanuel Lutheran. Faithful and accepting of questions. May you discover such a fellowship. You are not alone in your thinking. You are a Christian. Yes to all of this. Lots to think about now. Interesting piece. Granted, by definition, progressive Christianity seeks to avoid being defined.
That said, there are certain things that can be said about it. It is the post-modern influenced evolution of liberal Christianity and it is an heir of the Social Gospel movement. They are of different lineages and starting points however. Here are some helpful links that I encourage people to explore: 1.
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I do have a complicated relationship with scripture and that has been going on for 6 or 7 years now. I also finally feel like some of the anger I have about my past faith experiences and the brand of Christianity that I felt betrayed by is finally dissipating. I guess I finally feel like I am moving out of one stage of faith and into the next stage. Most progressive Christians I am in community with are not the attacking, my way or the highway, kind of people.
I think many of us become progressive precisely because that kind of unifying stance has repelled us. It can so easily lend to abuse. So we remain guarded against unified thinking, continually critiquing, as you say. I guess that is also what makes me a progressive Christian.
I find this tragically ironic. Your article ought to be read by everyone who considers themselves a progressive, or even a moderate Christian. Great post, great thoughts, thanks for sharing. I wish I had written this. Thank you! I enjoyed reading this greatly. The whole chapter is a reversal of Lot and Sodom. Still, I found your reflections apt. This is essentially where many Greco-Romans found themselves after Socrates.
Homer and Hesiod seemed to believe in Olympus; Virgil believed for a political reason and Ovid for the sake of beauty alone. Christianity is bigger than evangelicalism and mainline denominations such as Methodists and Episcopalians have already embraced much of what post-evangelicals seem to want: lively, compassionate church without rigid theology. But if I recall, those are shrinking in numbers in the United States. Our way is agnosticism if we follow the path.
Better to apply logic to others rather than ourselves, because we suspect the world has beauty, but not meaning. And that move to a world without divinity is terrifying. Judaism in the West has already traced this arc, but with a more unifying core of ethnicity and shared history. Answer: poorly. It is great to have a personal Christianity — one where you become your own god — worship without the restraints of truth — live without the shackles of the Word of God.
After all it is a man made book — pick and choose — do what you want. Live in a way that is right in your own eyes. I am not a fan of labels… It seems like they separate and push us apart. But I do agree with your statement about many of us liking to use scripture to prove opposing views. People have progressed from the beginning of time. Its natural. Press enter to begin your search. I somehow missed problem number 5.
God created humans as emotional beings, and to an extent, they do help us navigate life. They are indicators of desires and wants…and even needs, and they often help us to recognise things about ourselves that we may have been unaware of. As an aside, one of the best books I ever read on emotions and their place in our lives is Voice of the Heart. So maybe some some questions to think about together at this point would be…. I would want to be ready to contend for the proper place of emotions in our lives - a life that is neither devoid of them nor overwhelmed by them!
Thank you all for your suggestions. I will take some time to think and reflect on ways to find that common ground. Progressives would likely disagree. I believe Scripture supports this view of the importance of orthodoxy, but would be loathe so say that explicitly unless my feet were held to the fire, not because of disagreement, but because of the damage it could do to relationships. It would mean having to talk with those progressive Christians about what makes one a Christian at all and disagreeing on how that would be defined.
It seems to me we absolutely have to defend those Biblical teachings, but these conversations be difficult, painful, and intimidating for me, even if necessary. Hi Renee, thanks for your response. So, I think we are lacking some clarity here. Let me try and articulate my thoughts more precisely. First, with regard to someone who claims to be Christian, yet embraces a same-sex, monogamous, permanent relationship, I would not say that they are heretical, or non-Christian. I would say instead that they are accepting a lifestyle that is not sanctioned biblically, i.
But, being unbiblical is not yet being a non-Christian, since we all are failing to live up to some standard that the Bible holds us to, or failing to understand the Bible properly with regard to what the standards are. So, same-sex couples or advocates of same-sex relationships are not heretical, but their beliefs or their behavior is unbiblical. Two different things. That said, I reserve the term heretical for people who either fail to believe a necessary truth claim that makes the content of Christianity Christian e. Jesus Christ is God , or who outright reject a necessary truth claim that makes the content of Christianity, Christian e.
Failing to hold a necessary belief like these or rejecting a necessary belief like these would, I think, make someone something other than a historical, orthodox, Christian, even if they acted religiously or used the term Christian to describe themselves. By the way, there are many people like this. The Catholic philosopher Robert George has recently pointed out that he thinks many of the priests and bishops involved in the most recent abuse scandal in Pennsylvania, are openly atheist in their beliefs well, not that openly, but they are basically non-believers acting as priests.
Thus, a failure to accept or a rejection of the propositional beliefs outlined, for example, in the Nicean Creed, would make someone a non-Christian. With regard to those who embrace alternative sexual ethics, i. So, I think they are playing with fire, and they should, like anyone else who is going against biblical moral teachings, be encouraged to believe differently about the matter; admonished to stop sinning; and advised to seek counseling so that they can better resist temptation. Thanks so much, anthony. Your initial response was probably clear to most, but I am somewhat new at dialoguing through issues like these in this kind of setting.
You have clarified for me the terms you are using, which is very helpful, and with which I agree for the most part. I like the distinction you make between unbiblical and heretical. Your description of what constitutes heresy is very helpful and has given me a lot to think about. His work is interesting and insightful. I agree with your assessment of necessary beliefs and also with your characterization of which groups can reasonably lay claim to embracing them.
As you say, watching people we care about or have relationships with play with fire is frightening. I would certainly get badly burned in their situation! Mainly, because I think we should always try and take people at their word with regard to their beliefs. Another distinction I should make here, to avoid confusion, is that heretical beliefs can often be similar to orthodox, Christian beliefs, but where a similar term refers to a very different concept of a thing. So, that said, I would consider Mormons heretics, as harsh as that word may sound to modern ears, and in spite of how nice they usually are.
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An atheist, on the other hand, would not necessarily be a heretic, because the atheist simply disbelieves, full stop. Hello, Candy. Thank you for that question. I try, sometimes harder than other times, to follow the Bible as it is written along with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I do the same with other Christians. The Lord is the One who knows their heart and their motives. Thank you for sharing your heart. I believe that your connection to Him is good and true. Lord bless your walk, Sister. This is a good conversation and one that I have been struggling with for many years.
Although the speed with which information moves in these days dwarfs the past few decades, it tends to also make everything seem to be current issues. From my perspective the details of this discussion began over fifty years ago. There are several questions that come to mind. I mention the time frame above mainly to emphasize the fact that the world can blind even the best of Christians, and none of us are immune its influence. How else could the church in the US have been so delusional as to read the Bible as an endorsement of wholesale human slavery as a legitimate economic enterprise and application of Biblical truth?
Was that event a result of unbelief or just comfortable belief? How did it become set so deep in the culture? The Islam elective teaches that one can expect to spend seven years in true relationship with any Muslim one might want to help lead to Christ. One of the reasons for that is the strong cultural sacrifice that is required for the Muslim.
That cultural bond of Islam is a strong affinity and offers the same comfort and acceptance that is preached in many churches today. So is the effect of the the cultural setting of Islam different from that of Christianity in the context of influence not content? If it is deemed appropriate to approach other belief systems through apologetics because we believe we have been gifted with the truth, why would we not use apologetics to reach out to those who claim a Christian faith but vary from that same truth?
It is said in the RZIM program that the first job of the apologist is the apologist. Every Christian should be an apologist in that they should know what they believe and why they believe it. The modern day church has been accused of being lazy. Listening to someone else tell you what to believe is much easier than looking into the evidence or meditating on the scriptures.
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